there’s a certain irony in SNP politicians trolling the rest of the UK about the freebies they can afford because of higher public spending in Scotland which is enabled by the UK-wide pooling and sharing of taxes that those same SNP politicians want to scrap
seeing a lot of this nonsense- if the rest of the UK were able to have the same level of public spending per head as Scotland, the UK’s deficit would be £166bn greater*
The facts are Per Capita = smoke & mirrors. An ambulance costs £500k whether it’s in Glasgow or London. Same vehicle, same price → higher per cap spend in Scotland just because we’re thinner on the ground. We don’t get “extra money”, we get the same services at higher unit cost.
@grok does Scotland benefit financially from being part of the UK?
Yes, based on 2024-25 GERS data, Scotland receives £2,669 more per person in public spending than the UK average, supported by fiscal transfers. Revenue per head is third highest in the UK, but the notional deficit is -11.7% of GDP. Pro-union views highlight net gains;…
Now ask grok to recalculate with Club UK membership fees removed - Debt Interest/Trident/WM bills etc - and confirm whether this notional deficit only appears after non Scottish expenditure is removed.
Why would you remove debt costs? If you remove debt costs from Scotland you would also have to do this to the UK and the comparison is worse from our perspective?
The per capita argument includes a geographic share of UK debt, much of it unrelated to Scotlands actual P&L. Why reference doing the same with the UK debt, when the topic its about Scotlands fiscal standing - not the rUK.
If it's about Scotland's fiscal standing then why exclude debt? Debt is used to finance spending in Scotland just as any and all taxes are. All revenue is pooled into a pot from which spending is drawn.
Remove club UK membership fees, and debt interest on projects that are not located in Scotland demonstrates that the union only fiscally benefits rUK.
Yes but this is the same category error, there is no specific UK debt which is allocated to a specific project in England, Scotland or otherwise. Taxes and borrowing fund ALL spending in ALL of the UK. There is no actual earmarking of debt or taxes to specific spend.
This thread's about expenditure. Strip out Club UK costs 🏴doesn't need(Trident, UK debt interest, Lords, etc.) & our revenues beat spending here every year. GERS only shows a “deficit” because we’re forced to pay rUK bills. Bills an indy Scotland won't have.
so you’ve heard some superficial arguments that give you comfort, skated over the figures, failed to understand the actual detail and now freely assert absolute nonsense - i am embarrassed for you tbh
amazing how quickly some people exit stage left when faced with somebody who who has actually bothered to familiarise themselves with the facts 🤷🏻♂️
But this only invited another question, what does London and the South East of England get out of this arrangement?
what does any country get out of the fact that some regions rely on the support of others? the concept of national solidarity is deep-rooted and nations do not exist based merely on narrow transactional considerations
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