#primaryhumansystems Suchergebnisse
"Structure of belonging" is a nice turn of phrase, it connotes a sense of activity where "formal structure" seems more inert. If first arises from #PrimaryHumanSystems becomes embedded within community thru associations but misstep scales to #SecondaryHumanSystems as the second.
In their new book @davidwengrow and @davidgraeber look at communities and societies that have not adopted top-down command & control power structure by rulers, oligarchies, or bureaucratic institutions involving #PrimaryHumanSystems vs #SecondaryHumanSystems 2of2
~ 3. right now we’re more or less leaving it outside of the budgeting of our self-organization as political units. So we’re just leaving it up to chance really, this most important part of what it means to be human.~ 15/n3 2of2 counter #PrimaryHumanSystems #ABCD #SelfOrganization
~ 1. Environmental politics. 1800s, US government created something like a Ministry of Forestry 100 years after that, almost all countries had some kind of Environmental Ministry or Department dealing with environmental issues.~ 15/n1 #Commons #ElinorOstrom #PrimaryHumanSystems
Is #Haier then #PrimaryHumanSystems constrained thru entrepreneurial Associations taking on particular #OrganizationDesign existing within a market environment/#EcoSystems? But not necessarily needing to become an Organization as entity. Does #PlatformDesign allow for this? 8/n3
When you think of #primaryhumansystems do you see none human economies as subordinate or externalities or are #primarynaturebasedsystems more aligned to what your describing, primary human systems only include: individual; associations; institutions
Already agreed with “Words don’t mean, people do.” and in the conversation with @Jstclair1 put #ABCD on #PrimaryHumanSystems column 1of2
Expand the perspective beyond contained #OrganizationalDesign to interaction of #PrimaryHumanSystems (community) & #SecondaryHumanSystems (institutions) and social #EcoSystems
If a revolution destroys a government, but the systematic patterns of thought that produced that government are left intact, then those patterns will repeat themselves. — Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
~ people can expect what happens & can plan long-term & can coordinate their actions across more space and time. Including the actions of their own lives. And thus create better growth trajectories for themselves and their families, communities.~ 7/n1 2of2 #PrimaryHumanSystems
“We have to ‘do the work’” #PrimaryHumanSystems (communities) “rather than letting the system ‘do the work to us.’” #SecondaryHumanSystems Question for me , what are the means of “meaningful engagement in and through our systems of operation”? Anything on Jung alchemy processes?
Disagree with focus on "Another part of it is, on a political level, we have no real coordinating principles beyond the nation-state." and limits of nation-states." Should be on more focused on communities #PrimaryHumanSystems 11/n 2of2
From a #SystemsThinking perspective, moving from Community #PrimaryHumanSystems to Institutions #SecondaryHumanSystems at behest of the #SecondaryHumanSystems indicating major disconnect based on perverse #SystemsArchetypes #MentalModels #BridgingABCDandSystemsThinking
“Managed space” conveys exogenous application of preset processes by bureaucratic #SecondaryHumanSystem as opposed to future oriented innovative collaborations by #PrimaryHumanSystems to achieve ever changing #RequisiteVariety invariably a mix. 2 of 2
~ why don’t we make that into democratically owned self-organizing process, made as conscious as possible and not steered by unconscious processes and manipulations, and power relations. That’s the answer, really.~ #SelfOrganization #PrimaryHumanSystems #SystemsArchetypes 10/n
See #ABCD intertwined with Community as #PrimaryHumanSystems Top down institutions being #SecondaryHumanSystems invariably becoming #EntrenchedSystems but #SecondaryHumanSystems Small Open Local Connected #SOLCsystems should hopefully be possible. #ABCD serving as radical root.
Ideas that could now potentially be applied to efforts to implement #DoughnutEconomics at some form of #Scale recognizing #PrimaryHumanSystems & #SecondaryHumanSystems of communities as #ComplexAdaptiveSystems.
Perspective from @C4COMPUTATION and @MelMitchell1 - acknowledging we live in a complex system with many interacting agents, whose collective behavior is usually hard to predict, can help us deal with many global challenges, from pandemics to poverty bit.ly/3j0Vpuj
I am seeing this epistemic crisis as involving trust and trauma, too little of the former, too much of the latter, as the failure of #SecondaryHumanSystems (institutions) to meet the need of #PrimaryHumanSystems (communities) to overcome #SocialEntropy
~ coordinated deeper emotional level, higher trust, better equipped to communicate difficult complicated complex topics. grasp and organize ourselves around abstract and long-term goals. ~ requires #WarmData #PrimaryHumanSystems #BridgingABCDandSystemsThinking 7/n5
"Meaning that the inner development depends on outer development. Then we have to create institutions for that." moving from #PrimaryHumanSystems #SelfOrganization to #SecondaryHumanSystems maintaining #OrganizedComplexity difficult #EmergentEngineering potential path? 9/n 2of2
~Obviously, both things can be both oppressive and self-organizational and no states exist without corresponding markets, and no markets actually exist without corresponding states.~ #PrimaryHumanSystems & #SecondaryHumanSystems markets do #SelfOrganization differently 7/n 3of3
~Why would agency, when controlled through the state, be inherently oppressive? And why would markets and all the human agency that happens through them be inherently self-organizational?~ #SelfOrganization #PrimaryHumanSystems #SecondaryHumanSystems 7/n 2of3
Ideas that could now potentially be applied to efforts to implement #DoughnutEconomics at some form of #Scale recognizing #PrimaryHumanSystems & #SecondaryHumanSystems of communities as #ComplexAdaptiveSystems.
Perspective from @C4COMPUTATION and @MelMitchell1 - acknowledging we live in a complex system with many interacting agents, whose collective behavior is usually hard to predict, can help us deal with many global challenges, from pandemics to poverty bit.ly/3j0Vpuj
“Although Bitcoin was designed to rely on a decentralized, trustless network of anonymous agents, its early success rested instead on cooperation among a small group of altruistic founders.” #BlockChain #DAO #PrimaryHumanSystems #SecondaryHumanSystems nytimes.com/2022/06/06/sci…
This can be embodied into #DoughnutEconomics but the economic system has to have the wherewithal to do so, willingness comes from community #PrimaryHumanSystems not #SecondaryHumanSystems use #ABCD @DoughnutEcon @Cal_Doughnut
@TheEconomist rightly critiques trad approaches 2 social care: criticizing international social care & inadequate attention given 2 community centred approaches; wonderful 2 c @BuurtzorgInt being featured as a beacon towards an preferred future. m.youtube.com/watch?v=hJCr5W…
Explains danger of letting governmental public institutions i.e. #SecondaryHumanSystems implement #DoughnutEconomics for communities #PrimaryHumanSystems to overcome #EntrenchedSystems deeply embedding likely to require #BridgingABCDandSystemsThinking @Cal_Doughnut @DoughnutEcon
Our public good institutions are at risk of failing us - turning to the “practical” as guise to not having the courage to deal with the structural.
“Managed space” conveys exogenous application of preset processes by bureaucratic #SecondaryHumanSystem as opposed to future oriented innovative collaborations by #PrimaryHumanSystems to achieve ever changing #RequisiteVariety invariably a mix. 2 of 2
In their new book @davidwengrow and @davidgraeber look at communities and societies that have not adopted top-down command & control power structure by rulers, oligarchies, or bureaucratic institutions involving #PrimaryHumanSystems vs #SecondaryHumanSystems 2of2
I am seeing this epistemic crisis as involving trust and trauma, too little of the former, too much of the latter, as the failure of #SecondaryHumanSystems (institutions) to meet the need of #PrimaryHumanSystems (communities) to overcome #SocialEntropy
Continuing and closing the circle of my thoughts, #SecondaryHumanSystems although initially created by #PrimaryHumanSystems #Scale to counter-productivity to maintain system self-integrity becoming #EntrenchedSystems.
Another answer to your question @mikechitty from #SystemsThinking perspective is #PrimaryHumanSystems, communities, neighborhoods, associations, human to human opposed to #SecondaryHumanSystems, institutions, systems of institutions, #Neocapitalism #BridgingABCDandSystemsThinking
Wonder if network systems e.g. June Holley's 'Network Weaving' approach or Lederach’s web weaving become necessary when Community as #PrimaryHumanSystems extend beyond viable #DunbarNumber associational #LiminalSpace to becoming #SecondaryHumanSystems institutionally dependent
This may be an example of #SecondaryHumanSystems formal institutions usurping #PrimaryHumanSystems of community by the community for "Big Changes" desired by the institutions.
"Structure of belonging" is a nice turn of phrase, it connotes a sense of activity where "formal structure" seems more inert. If first arises from #PrimaryHumanSystems becomes embedded within community thru associations but misstep scales to #SecondaryHumanSystems as the second.
"Structure of belonging" is a nice turn of phrase, it connotes a sense of activity where "formal structure" seems more inert. If first arises from #PrimaryHumanSystems becomes embedded within community thru associations but misstep scales to #SecondaryHumanSystems as the second.
I suspect that you meant @EvonomicsMag This is something that I think @CormacRussell would appreciate. For me it’s working with people as #PrimaryHumanSystems rather than imposing upon them as #SecondaryHumanSystems
Econ @jasonacollins: "As applied behavioural scientists, we need to inject some humility into our assessment of other people’s decisions. We need stop underestimating the intelligence of other people." @rorysutherland @econnaturalist @nntaleb @ole_b_peters evonomics.com/why-behavioral…
Article from nearly 5 years ago brings up current concerns related to #EmergentEngineering & #TertiaryHumanSystems which can extend either #PrimaryHumanSystems or #SecondaryHumanSystems. The Enlightenment is Dead, Long Live the Entanglement - The Long Now longnow.org/essays/enlight…
Expand the perspective beyond contained #OrganizationalDesign to interaction of #PrimaryHumanSystems (community) & #SecondaryHumanSystems (institutions) and social #EcoSystems
If a revolution destroys a government, but the systematic patterns of thought that produced that government are left intact, then those patterns will repeat themselves. — Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
See #ABCD intertwined with Community as #PrimaryHumanSystems Top down institutions being #SecondaryHumanSystems invariably becoming #EntrenchedSystems but #SecondaryHumanSystems Small Open Local Connected #SOLCsystems should hopefully be possible. #ABCD serving as radical root.
“The truly inspirational stories are the ones that come from these groups that were working on the ground, the groups that were embedded in their local communities.” 1of2 #ABCD #BridgingABCDandSystemsThinking #PrimaryHumanSystems #CommunityBased
Lessons from COVID - Building resilience into our food systems - Open Food Network UK buff.ly/3ezJzGu until eating won't become an act of care...
Suggests #SOLCsystems #Networking #PrimaryHumanSystems with #SecondaryHumanSystems likely through #PlatformDesign and #TertiaryHumanSystems and #EmergentEngineering
The future is in tight bonds, shared culture & small tribes. On top of huge, shared infrastructures of services and accessible knowledge.
If it is an inert thingy then it’s not technology. Needs to become part of a human system to become technology which does not need to be capitalism. Technology can give rise to #TertiaryHumanSystems whether that extends #PrimaryHumanSystems or #SecondaryHumanSystems institutions
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